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Cảm ơn anh Tuấn! theo e 2 hình chỉ là 1 vì chủ nó nói NHẬP từ.... Sài Gòn về
Xem ra tại Việt Nam ta cũng rất nhiều người quan tâm đến Neo......có xấu ắt rồi sẽ có đẹp phải không anh Neo!
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Ai thích Neapolitan Mastiff thì vô đây
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Xem ra tại Việt Nam ta cũng rất nhiều người quan tâm đến Neo......có xấu ắt rồi sẽ có đẹp phải không anh Neo!
Thân!
to VNDOGLOVE : con này mình thấy khi đi xem chó,tiện thể chụp luôn. thấy nó như vậy nên không có ai để ý đến. lâu rồi mình không ghé nên cũng không biết số phận em nó thế nào nữa.con pitbull cái ở đấy người ta bán có 3triệu. tại mình không có khả năng tài chính nên cũng không thể đưa em nó về được.chắc giờ này con pit cái đó cũng đã đẻ ra chó con rồi. có lẽ tại sg nếu đi hết ngõ ngách cũng sẽ có một vài em neo ấy chứ các bác nhi? bạn nào quan tâm thử đến cầu văn thánh sẽ thấy tiệm Duyên số 9. mấy em nó ở đấy.
chelsea0199
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em vừa lụm được được ảnh đẹp của Neo đẹp nè.,việc mixed Neo với một số dòng Mastiff ,Bác Neo không biết để làm gì không ạ
Neapolitan
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Mix Neo với dòng chó khác thì phải coi họ mix với dòng nào, nhưng đa số là để lấy kích thước, xương to và cái đầu, mõm vuông và những nếp nhăn của nó .
Chó của tui khi trên 1 tuổi những con cùng giống không bao giờ có thể thả ra chung với nhau được, tụi nó sẽ "chơi" nhau liền, chỉ có thể thả 2 con khác giống với nhau thôi, vì vậy tui không bao giớ có hình tụi nó chụp chung với nhau hết .
Chó của tui khi trên 1 tuổi những con cùng giống không bao giờ có thể thả ra chung với nhau được, tụi nó sẽ "chơi" nhau liền, chỉ có thể thả 2 con khác giống với nhau thôi, vì vậy tui không bao giớ có hình tụi nó chụp chung với nhau hết .
phonghL
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Chào anh
Theo anh Tuấn bạn NguoiRung nói có đúng không??? mong anh và bạn NguoiRung có lời giải đáp cho anh em QN biết con này có phải Neo hay thuộc dòng nào khác???
http://forum.vietpet.com/showthread.php?t=35254&page=3
thân!
Theo anh Tuấn bạn NguoiRung nói có đúng không??? mong anh và bạn NguoiRung có lời giải đáp cho anh em QN biết con này có phải Neo hay thuộc dòng nào khác???
http://forum.vietpet.com/showthread.php?t=35254&page=3
thân!
6997.snipper
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thế thì đi show sao đây anh??????? show thi chó đực - cái riêng mà, mà chó nhà bác "chơi" chó nhà người ta thì ....nghỉ show luôn!!!!
Neapolitan
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@Snipper, Tui nói là thả ra chơi với nhau kìa, chứ khi tui cầm dây dắt nó thì nó là 1 con chó hoàn toàn khác . Bởi vậy nghệ thuật đi show là ở chổ đó, ra show thì rất hiền, về nhà thì giữ nhà tuyệt vời . Tui có nói ở mấy bài trước, 1 số breeder cứ lựa mấy con hiền để nhân giống, hay dạy nó trở thành con chó khù khờ để đi show cho chắc ăn, hay bán cho người ta dễ hơn . Họ đã biến những con thuộc dòng working dog thành những con thú nhồi bông, bị 1 con chó nhỏ sủa cũng giựt mình, làm mang tiếng không ít tới show dog .
@PhongHL, tui không có gì bình luận về lời nói của anh ta, nếu anh ta cho rằng nó không phải là con neo thì đó là quyền của anh ta . Nhiều khi anh ta cũng không phải sai hết, vì phải coi con chó đó mua từ đâu . Nói cách chuyên nghiệp và chính xác, không bị bắt bẻ, thì những con không có giấy tờ đàng hoàng thì sẽ không thuần chủng, mà không thuần chủng thì nó sẽ không là giống chó nào hết .
Loại neo như vậy thường thấy ở 20-30 năm trước, bây giờ cũng thường thấy ở backyard breeder, hay những breeder không chú trọng tới chất lượng Neo .
Nếu anh ta ở gần tui thì sẽ cá 1 chầu cà phê, bằng cách đem hình nó post lên mấy forum chuyên về Neo, hỏi những breeder trên 10 năm kinh nghiệm, cứ 6 người nói có là con Neo thì tui thắng, 6 người nói nó không phải thì tui thua, còn 5/5 thì là huề .
@PhongHL, tui không có gì bình luận về lời nói của anh ta, nếu anh ta cho rằng nó không phải là con neo thì đó là quyền của anh ta . Nhiều khi anh ta cũng không phải sai hết, vì phải coi con chó đó mua từ đâu . Nói cách chuyên nghiệp và chính xác, không bị bắt bẻ, thì những con không có giấy tờ đàng hoàng thì sẽ không thuần chủng, mà không thuần chủng thì nó sẽ không là giống chó nào hết .
Loại neo như vậy thường thấy ở 20-30 năm trước, bây giờ cũng thường thấy ở backyard breeder, hay những breeder không chú trọng tới chất lượng Neo .
Nếu anh ta ở gần tui thì sẽ cá 1 chầu cà phê, bằng cách đem hình nó post lên mấy forum chuyên về Neo, hỏi những breeder trên 10 năm kinh nghiệm, cứ 6 người nói có là con Neo thì tui thắng, 6 người nói nó không phải thì tui thua, còn 5/5 thì là huề .
Con Lợn Lòi
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Theo mình thì em này và ảnh em của bài dưới bài này là em lai với Dogue de Bordouax chứ không phải Napo!CLB-VPQN mới xuất hiện (Tên hàng khủng) này ,anh làm ơn cho e hỏi nó có cùng dòng với Neo nhà anh không? cảm ơn anh nhiều!
Giống này đặc trưng là cái đầu to và bộ da ngựa!Neapolitan
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Con Lợn Lòi ơi, đọc bài của bạn xong mém 1 chút là tui bị té xuống ghế đó . LOL
Vì mạng VP có vấn đề nên tui không qua thread kia đọc hết, nhưng có đọc anh kia nói tui chỉ biết mấy con neo tui nuôi thôi, cứ nghĩ kiến thức mình còn nông cạn, chờ coi cao nhân có ý gì hay chỉ bảo, thì ra nói con này là dogue de bordeaux ... hahaha ... đúng là bótay.com
Ai nói con này là dogue de bordeaux có dám cá không ? 1 ăn 100 .
Vì mạng VP có vấn đề nên tui không qua thread kia đọc hết, nhưng có đọc anh kia nói tui chỉ biết mấy con neo tui nuôi thôi, cứ nghĩ kiến thức mình còn nông cạn, chờ coi cao nhân có ý gì hay chỉ bảo, thì ra nói con này là dogue de bordeaux ... hahaha ... đúng là bótay.com
Ai nói con này là dogue de bordeaux có dám cá không ? 1 ăn 100 .
Neapolitan
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Thì ngay từ đầu anh cũng đâu có khẳng định nó là Neo đâu, nhưng nhìn bề ngoài nó rất giống con Neo chất lượng kém, chỉ có đôi mắt không giống Neo mà giống mắt dogue de bordeaux, vì mắt Bordeaux to và nằm cách xa nhau hơn Neo . Bởi vậy chó có pedigree rất quan trọng, vì 1 con lai cũng có thể nhìn gần giống con thuần chủng .
Còn nói nó là Dogue de bordeaux thì 90% là không giống, vì Bordeaux mặt gẫy, mõm móm, hàm dưới đưa ra rất nhiều . Bạn nào nói nó là dogue de bordeaux thì coi hình Bordeaux sẽ thấy nó khác xa như thế nào .
Con Lợn Lòi
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Dù biết bạn là chuyên gia Nepo nhưng mình vẫn cho rằng mấy em này lai Dogue đơ Bócđô, ảnh tham khảo để mọi người cùng so sánh nhé!
Còn đây là tài liệu tham khảo, bác nào giỏi tiếng E giúp em nhé!
Dogue de Bordeaux Breed Standard
Translation: Tim TAYLOR and Raymond TRIQUET
Date of publication of the valid original standard: 14.04.1995
Sketches by Sylvie GUIGNARD
Origin: France
Utilization: Guard, defence and dissuasion
F.C.I. Classification: Group 2 (Pinscher and Schnauzer type, Molossian and Swiss mountain and cattledogs)
Section 2.1. (Mastiff type)
Without working trial
BRIEF HISTORICAL SUMMARY:
The dogue de Bordeaux is one of the most ancient French breeds, probably a descendant of the Alans and, in particular, the alan vautre of which Gaston Phebus (or Febus), Count of Foix, said in the 14th century, in his Livre de Chasse that " he holds his bite stronger than three sighthounds". The word "dogue" first appeared at the end of the 14th century. In the middle of the 19th century these ancient dogues were hardly renowned outside the region of Aquitaine. They were used for hunting large animals such as boar, for fighting (often codified), for the guarding of houses and cattle and in the service of butchers. In 1863 the first French dog show took place in Paris in the Jardin d'Acclimatation. The dogues de Bordeaux were entered under their present name. There have been different types : The Toulouse type, the Paris type and the Bordeaux type, which is the origin of today's dogue. The breed, which had suffered greatly during the two world wars, to the point of being threatened with extinction after the second world war, got off to a fresh start in the 1960's.
1st standard (Caractere des vrais dogues) in Pierre Megnin, Le Dogue de Bordeaux, 1896
2nd standard in: J. Kunstler, Etude critique du Dogue de Bordeaux, 1910
3rd standard by Raymond Triquet, with the collaboration of Vet. Dr. Maurice Luquet, 1971
4th standard reformulated according to Jerusalem model (F.C.I.) by Raymond Triquet, with the collaboration of Philippe Serouil, President of the French Dogue de Bordeaux Club and its Committee, 1993
• GENERAL APPEARANCE :
Typical concave lined brachycephalic molossoid. The Dogue de Bordeaux is a very powerful dog, with a very muscular body yet retaining a harmonious general outline. He is built rather close to the ground, the distance sternum-ground being slightly less than the depth of the chest. Stocky, athletic, imposing, he has a very dissuasive aspect.
• IMPORTANT PROPORTIONS :
The length of the body, measured from the point of the shoulder to the point of the buttock, is superior to the height at the withers, in the proportion of 11/10.
The depth of the chest is more than half the height at the withers.
The maximum length of the muzzle is equal to one third of the length of the head. The minimum length of the muzzle is equal to one quarter of the length of the head.
In the male, the perimeter of the skull corresponds more or less to the height at the withers.
A: height at the withers
= perimeter of the skull
B: chest mesurement (taken behind elbow)
= height at the withers + 25 to 30 cm
C: Length of the body
D: Length of the head = occipital bone to nose = F x 3
E: Cranial Region = occipital bone to stop = F x 2
F: Lenght of the muzzle (max. = D / 3, min. = D / 4)
G: width of cranial at the front
= big base of trapezium
H: width of the muzzle = small base of trapezium
• BEHAVIOUR / TEMPERAMENT :
An ancient fighting dog, the dogue de Bordeaux is gifted for guarding, which he assumes with vigilance and great courage but without aggressiveness. A good companion, very attached to his master and very affectionate. Calm, balanced with a high stimulus threshold. The male normally has a dominant character.
• HEAD : Voluminous, angular, broad, rather short, trapezoid when viewed from above and in front.
o CRANIAL REGION:
In the male : the perimeter of the skull measured at the level of its greatest width corresponds roughly to the height at the withers. In bitches : it may be slightly less. Its volume and shape are the consequences of the very important development of the temporals, supra-orbital arches, zygomatic arches and the spacing of the branches of the lower jaw. The upper region of the skull is slightly convex from one side to the other. Fronto-nasal depression or stop is very pronounced, almost forming a right angle with the muzzle (95° to 100°). The frontal groove is deep, diminishing towards the posterior end of the head. The forehead dominates the face. However it is still wider than high. The head is furrowed with symmetrical wrinkles, each side of the median groove. These deep ropes of wrinkle are mobile depending on whether the dog is attentive or not.
• FACIAL REGION:
o Fig. 1: the front of the trapeziform Head
o Fig. 2: head correct (profile)
o Fig. 3: fronto-nasal depression or stop almost
forming a right angle with the muzzle
(95° to 100°)
o Fig. 4: the line of the muzzle forms to the upper
region of the skull
a very obtuse angle upwards
o Fig. 5: correct undershot of the mouth
with a good curve of the lower jaw
o Fig. 6: Ears too loose
o Nose:
Broad, well opened nostrils, well pigmented according to the mask. Upturned nose (snubbed) permissible but not if it is set back towards the face.
o Muzzle:
Powerful, broad, thick, but not fleshy below the eyes, rather short, upper profile very slightly concave, with moderately obvious folds. Its width hardly decreasing towards the tip of the muzzle, when viewed from above it has the general shape of a square. In relation to the upper region of the skull, the line of the muzzle forms a very obtuse angle upwards. When the head is held horizontally the tip of the muzzle, truncated, thick and broad at the base, is in front of a vertical tangent to the anterior face of the nose. Its perimeter is almost two thirds of that of the head. Its length varies between one third and one quarter of the total length of the head, from the nose to the occipital crest. The limits stated (maximum one third and minimum one quarter of the total length of the head) are permissible but not sought after, the ideal length of the muzzle being between these two extremes.
o Jaws:
Very powerful, broad. Undershot (the undershot condition being a characteristic of the breed). The back of the lower incisors is in front of and not in contact with the front face of the upper incisors. The lower jaw curves upwards. The chin is well marked and must neither overlap the upper lip exaggeratedly nor be covered by it.
o Teeth:
Strong, particularly the canines. Lower canines set wide apart and slightly curved. Incisors well aligned especially in the lower jaw where they form an apparently straight line.
o Upper lip:
Thick, moderately pendulous, retractile. When viewed in profile it shows a rounded lower line. It covers the lower jaw on the sides. In front the edge of the upper lip is in contact with the lower lip, then drops on either side thus forming a reversed wide V.
o Cheeks: Prominent, due to the very strong development of the muscles.
Fig.1: correct profile of the head
Fig.2: Undershot too long
Fig.3: both jaws have the same length
= no or too short undershot
Fig.4: Cranial region and muzzle run parallel
Fig 5: Hypertypical bulldoggy
Fig.6: long muzzle, stop ins't well pronounced
• Eyes:
Oval, set wide apart. The space between the two inner angles of the eyelids is equal to about twice the length of the eye (eye opening). Frank expression. The haw must not be visible. Colour : hazel to dark brown for a dog with a black mask, lighter colour tolerated but not sought after in dogs with either a brown mask or without a mask.
• Ears:
Relatively small, of a slightly darker colour than the coat. At its set on the front of the base of the ear is slightly raised. They must fall back, but not hang limply, the front edge being close to the cheek when the dog is attentive. The tip of the ear is slightly rounded; it must not reach beyond the eye. Set rather high, at the level of the upper line of the skull, thus appearing to accentuate its width even more.
• Neck:
Very strong, muscular, almost cylindrical. The skin is supple, ample and loose. The average circumference almost equals that of the head. It is separated from the head by a slightly accentuated transversal furrow, slightly curved. Its upper edge is slightly convex. The well defined dewlap starts at the level of the throat forming folds down to the chest, without hanging exaggeratedly. The neck, very broad at its base, merges smoothly with the shoulders.
• BODY :
o Topline:
Solid with a broad and muscular back, withers well marked, broad loin, rather short and solid, rump moderately sloping down to the root of the tail.
o Croup: Moderately sloping down to the root of the tail.
o Chest:
Powerful, long, deep, broad, let down lower than the elbows. Broad and powerful breast whose lower line (inter-axillae) is convex towards the bottom. Ribs well let down and well sprung but not barrel shaped. The circumference of the chest must be between 0,25 to 0,30 m greater than the height at the withers.
o Underline:
Curved, from the deep brisket to the rather tucked up, firm abdomen, being neither pendulous nor whippety.
• Tail:
Very thick at the base. Its tip preferably reaching the hock and not below. Carried low, it is neither broken nor kinked but supple. Hanging when the dog is in repose, generally rising by 90° to 120° from that position when the dog is in action, without curving over the back or being curled.
o Fig. 1+2: good tail
o Fig. 3: Tail deviated
o Fig. 4: Tail deviated and fused (no admition for breeding)
o Fig. 5: Tail too shoort (no admition for breeding)
o Fig. 6: Tail knotted
• LIMBS:
o Forequarters: Strong bone structure, legs very muscular.
o Shoulders:
Powerful, prominent muscles. Slant of shoulder-blade medium (about 45o to the horizontal), angle of the scapular-humeral articulation a little more than 90°.
o Arms: Very muscular.
o Elbows: In the axis of the body, neither too close to the thoracic wall nor turned out.
o Forearms:
Viewed from the front, straight or inclining slightly inwards thus getting closer to the median plane, especially in dogs with a very broad chest. Viewed in profile, vertical.
o Metacarpial region:
Powerful. Viewed in profile, slightly sloping. Viewed from the front sometimes slightly outwards thus compensating for the slight inclination of the forearm inwards.
o Feet:
Strong. Toes tight, nails curved and strong, pads well developed and supple : the dogue is well up on his toes despite his weight.
•
o Fig. 1: Forequarters correct
o Fig. 2: Feet correct
(in profile /from the front)
o Fig. 3: Forefeet turning inwards
o Fig. 4: Forefeet turning outwards
o Fig. 5: down in pasterns
o Fig. 6: Feet turned outwards,
arms are bent
o Fig. 7: down in pasterns
with affected foot from the front
o Hindquarters:
Robust legs with strong bone structure; well angulated. When viewed from behind the hindquarters are parallel and vertical thus giving an impression of power even though the hindquarters are not quite as broad as the forequarters.
Fig. 1 + 2 : good angel of the hock
Fig. 3 + 4 : angel of the hock too open
(straight angulation)
• Thigh: Very developed and thick with visible muscles.
• Stifle: In a parallel plane to the median plane or slightly out.
• Second Thigh: Relatively short, muscled, descending low.
• Hock: Short, sinewy, angle of the hock joint moderately open.
• Metatarsus: Robust, no dewclaws.
• Hindfeet: Slightly longer than the front feet, toes tight.
o Fig. 1 : Hindquarters correct
o Fig. 2 : Hindquarters too close
o Fig. 3 : Hocks to close (cow hocks)
o Fig. 4 : Hindquarters too open
• MOVEMENT :
Quite supple for a molossoid. When walking the movement is free, supple, close to the ground. Good drive from the hindquarters, good extension of the forelegs, especially when trotting, which is the preferred gait. When the trot quickens, the head tends to drop, the topline inclines towards the front, and the front feet get closer to the median plane while striding out with a long reaching movement of the front legs. Short gallop with vertical movement rather important. Capable of great speed over short distances by bolting along close to the ground.
• SKIN: Thick and sufficiently loose fitting.
• HAIR: Fine, short and soft to the touch.
o Coat: Self-coloured, in all shades of fawn, from mahogany to isabella. A good pigmentation is desirable. Limited white patches are permissible on the chest and the extremities of the limbs.
• MASK:
o 1. Black mask
The mask is often only slightly spread out and must not invade the cranial region. There may be slight black shading on the skull, ears, neck and top of body. The nose is then black.
o 2. Brown mask (used to be called red or bistre)
The nose is then brown; the eyerims are also brown.
o 3. No mask
The coat is fawn : the skin appears red (also formerly called "red mask"). The nose is then reddish or pink.
• SIZE : Height should more or less correspond to the perimeter of the skull.
Dogs : 60-68 cm at the withers - Bitches : 58-66 cm at the withers.
1 cm under and 2 cm over will be tolerated.
• WEIGHT: Dogs : at least 50 kg - Bitches : at least 45 kg.
Fig. 1: Front correct
Fig. 2: inter-ars concave
Fig. 3: wrong curve of the ribs
• BITCHES: Identical characteristics but less prominent.
• FAULTS: Any departure from the foregoing points should be considered a fault and the seriousness with which the fault should be regarded should be in exact proportion to its degree.
o Serious Faults:
Hyper aggressive, timid
Head short and round with protruding eyes
Hypertypical bulldoggy : flat skull, muzzle measuring less than a quarter of the total length of the head
Important lateral deviation of the lower jaw
Incisors constantly visible when the mouth is closed
Arched back
Fused but not deviated vertebrae of the tail
Forefeet turning inwards (even slightly)
Forefeet turning outwards too much
Flat thighs
Angle of the hock too open (straight angulation)
Angle of the hock too closed, dog standing under himself behind
Cow hocks or barrel hocks
Stilted movement or serious rolling of rear
Excessive shortness of breath, rasping
White on tip of tail or on the front part of the forelegs, above the carpus and the tarsus
o Disqualifying Faults:
Long, narrow head with insufficiently pronounced stop, with a muzzle measuring more than a third of the total length of the head (lack of type in head)
Muzzle parallel to the top line of the skull or downfaced, Roman nose
Twisted jaw
Mouth not undershot
Canines constantly visible when the mouth is closed
Tongue constantly hanging out when the mouth is closed
Tail knotted and lateraly deviated or twisted (screw tail, kink tail)
Atrophied tail
Fiddle front with splay feet
Angle of the hock open towards the rear (tarsal deviated towards the front)
White on the head or body, any other colour of the coat than fawn
Identifiable disabling defect
• N.B.: Male animals should have two apparently normal testicles fully descended into the scrotum.
Xin lỗi, con cún "lai Gấu" là của mình hì hì!
Còn đây là tài liệu tham khảo, bác nào giỏi tiếng E giúp em nhé!
Dogue de Bordeaux Breed Standard
Translation: Tim TAYLOR and Raymond TRIQUET
Date of publication of the valid original standard: 14.04.1995
Sketches by Sylvie GUIGNARD
Origin: France
Utilization: Guard, defence and dissuasion
F.C.I. Classification: Group 2 (Pinscher and Schnauzer type, Molossian and Swiss mountain and cattledogs)
Section 2.1. (Mastiff type)
Without working trial
BRIEF HISTORICAL SUMMARY:
The dogue de Bordeaux is one of the most ancient French breeds, probably a descendant of the Alans and, in particular, the alan vautre of which Gaston Phebus (or Febus), Count of Foix, said in the 14th century, in his Livre de Chasse that " he holds his bite stronger than three sighthounds". The word "dogue" first appeared at the end of the 14th century. In the middle of the 19th century these ancient dogues were hardly renowned outside the region of Aquitaine. They were used for hunting large animals such as boar, for fighting (often codified), for the guarding of houses and cattle and in the service of butchers. In 1863 the first French dog show took place in Paris in the Jardin d'Acclimatation. The dogues de Bordeaux were entered under their present name. There have been different types : The Toulouse type, the Paris type and the Bordeaux type, which is the origin of today's dogue. The breed, which had suffered greatly during the two world wars, to the point of being threatened with extinction after the second world war, got off to a fresh start in the 1960's.
1st standard (Caractere des vrais dogues) in Pierre Megnin, Le Dogue de Bordeaux, 1896
2nd standard in: J. Kunstler, Etude critique du Dogue de Bordeaux, 1910
3rd standard by Raymond Triquet, with the collaboration of Vet. Dr. Maurice Luquet, 1971
4th standard reformulated according to Jerusalem model (F.C.I.) by Raymond Triquet, with the collaboration of Philippe Serouil, President of the French Dogue de Bordeaux Club and its Committee, 1993
• GENERAL APPEARANCE :
Typical concave lined brachycephalic molossoid. The Dogue de Bordeaux is a very powerful dog, with a very muscular body yet retaining a harmonious general outline. He is built rather close to the ground, the distance sternum-ground being slightly less than the depth of the chest. Stocky, athletic, imposing, he has a very dissuasive aspect.
• IMPORTANT PROPORTIONS :
The length of the body, measured from the point of the shoulder to the point of the buttock, is superior to the height at the withers, in the proportion of 11/10.
The depth of the chest is more than half the height at the withers.
The maximum length of the muzzle is equal to one third of the length of the head. The minimum length of the muzzle is equal to one quarter of the length of the head.
In the male, the perimeter of the skull corresponds more or less to the height at the withers.
A: height at the withers
= perimeter of the skull
B: chest mesurement (taken behind elbow)
= height at the withers + 25 to 30 cm
C: Length of the body
D: Length of the head = occipital bone to nose = F x 3
E: Cranial Region = occipital bone to stop = F x 2
F: Lenght of the muzzle (max. = D / 3, min. = D / 4)
G: width of cranial at the front
= big base of trapezium
H: width of the muzzle = small base of trapezium
• BEHAVIOUR / TEMPERAMENT :
An ancient fighting dog, the dogue de Bordeaux is gifted for guarding, which he assumes with vigilance and great courage but without aggressiveness. A good companion, very attached to his master and very affectionate. Calm, balanced with a high stimulus threshold. The male normally has a dominant character.
• HEAD : Voluminous, angular, broad, rather short, trapezoid when viewed from above and in front.
o CRANIAL REGION:
In the male : the perimeter of the skull measured at the level of its greatest width corresponds roughly to the height at the withers. In bitches : it may be slightly less. Its volume and shape are the consequences of the very important development of the temporals, supra-orbital arches, zygomatic arches and the spacing of the branches of the lower jaw. The upper region of the skull is slightly convex from one side to the other. Fronto-nasal depression or stop is very pronounced, almost forming a right angle with the muzzle (95° to 100°). The frontal groove is deep, diminishing towards the posterior end of the head. The forehead dominates the face. However it is still wider than high. The head is furrowed with symmetrical wrinkles, each side of the median groove. These deep ropes of wrinkle are mobile depending on whether the dog is attentive or not.
• FACIAL REGION:
o Fig. 1: the front of the trapeziform Head
o Fig. 2: head correct (profile)
o Fig. 3: fronto-nasal depression or stop almost
forming a right angle with the muzzle
(95° to 100°)
o Fig. 4: the line of the muzzle forms to the upper
region of the skull
a very obtuse angle upwards
o Fig. 5: correct undershot of the mouth
with a good curve of the lower jaw
o Fig. 6: Ears too loose
o Nose:
Broad, well opened nostrils, well pigmented according to the mask. Upturned nose (snubbed) permissible but not if it is set back towards the face.
o Muzzle:
Powerful, broad, thick, but not fleshy below the eyes, rather short, upper profile very slightly concave, with moderately obvious folds. Its width hardly decreasing towards the tip of the muzzle, when viewed from above it has the general shape of a square. In relation to the upper region of the skull, the line of the muzzle forms a very obtuse angle upwards. When the head is held horizontally the tip of the muzzle, truncated, thick and broad at the base, is in front of a vertical tangent to the anterior face of the nose. Its perimeter is almost two thirds of that of the head. Its length varies between one third and one quarter of the total length of the head, from the nose to the occipital crest. The limits stated (maximum one third and minimum one quarter of the total length of the head) are permissible but not sought after, the ideal length of the muzzle being between these two extremes.
o Jaws:
Very powerful, broad. Undershot (the undershot condition being a characteristic of the breed). The back of the lower incisors is in front of and not in contact with the front face of the upper incisors. The lower jaw curves upwards. The chin is well marked and must neither overlap the upper lip exaggeratedly nor be covered by it.
o Teeth:
Strong, particularly the canines. Lower canines set wide apart and slightly curved. Incisors well aligned especially in the lower jaw where they form an apparently straight line.
o Upper lip:
Thick, moderately pendulous, retractile. When viewed in profile it shows a rounded lower line. It covers the lower jaw on the sides. In front the edge of the upper lip is in contact with the lower lip, then drops on either side thus forming a reversed wide V.
o Cheeks: Prominent, due to the very strong development of the muscles.
Fig.1: correct profile of the head
Fig.2: Undershot too long
Fig.3: both jaws have the same length
= no or too short undershot
Fig.4: Cranial region and muzzle run parallel
Fig 5: Hypertypical bulldoggy
Fig.6: long muzzle, stop ins't well pronounced
• Eyes:
Oval, set wide apart. The space between the two inner angles of the eyelids is equal to about twice the length of the eye (eye opening). Frank expression. The haw must not be visible. Colour : hazel to dark brown for a dog with a black mask, lighter colour tolerated but not sought after in dogs with either a brown mask or without a mask.
• Ears:
Relatively small, of a slightly darker colour than the coat. At its set on the front of the base of the ear is slightly raised. They must fall back, but not hang limply, the front edge being close to the cheek when the dog is attentive. The tip of the ear is slightly rounded; it must not reach beyond the eye. Set rather high, at the level of the upper line of the skull, thus appearing to accentuate its width even more.
• Neck:
Very strong, muscular, almost cylindrical. The skin is supple, ample and loose. The average circumference almost equals that of the head. It is separated from the head by a slightly accentuated transversal furrow, slightly curved. Its upper edge is slightly convex. The well defined dewlap starts at the level of the throat forming folds down to the chest, without hanging exaggeratedly. The neck, very broad at its base, merges smoothly with the shoulders.
• BODY :
o Topline:
Solid with a broad and muscular back, withers well marked, broad loin, rather short and solid, rump moderately sloping down to the root of the tail.
o Croup: Moderately sloping down to the root of the tail.
o Chest:
Powerful, long, deep, broad, let down lower than the elbows. Broad and powerful breast whose lower line (inter-axillae) is convex towards the bottom. Ribs well let down and well sprung but not barrel shaped. The circumference of the chest must be between 0,25 to 0,30 m greater than the height at the withers.
o Underline:
Curved, from the deep brisket to the rather tucked up, firm abdomen, being neither pendulous nor whippety.
• Tail:
Very thick at the base. Its tip preferably reaching the hock and not below. Carried low, it is neither broken nor kinked but supple. Hanging when the dog is in repose, generally rising by 90° to 120° from that position when the dog is in action, without curving over the back or being curled.
o Fig. 1+2: good tail
o Fig. 3: Tail deviated
o Fig. 4: Tail deviated and fused (no admition for breeding)
o Fig. 5: Tail too shoort (no admition for breeding)
o Fig. 6: Tail knotted
• LIMBS:
o Forequarters: Strong bone structure, legs very muscular.
o Shoulders:
Powerful, prominent muscles. Slant of shoulder-blade medium (about 45o to the horizontal), angle of the scapular-humeral articulation a little more than 90°.
o Arms: Very muscular.
o Elbows: In the axis of the body, neither too close to the thoracic wall nor turned out.
o Forearms:
Viewed from the front, straight or inclining slightly inwards thus getting closer to the median plane, especially in dogs with a very broad chest. Viewed in profile, vertical.
o Metacarpial region:
Powerful. Viewed in profile, slightly sloping. Viewed from the front sometimes slightly outwards thus compensating for the slight inclination of the forearm inwards.
o Feet:
Strong. Toes tight, nails curved and strong, pads well developed and supple : the dogue is well up on his toes despite his weight.
•
o Fig. 1: Forequarters correct
o Fig. 2: Feet correct
(in profile /from the front)
o Fig. 3: Forefeet turning inwards
o Fig. 4: Forefeet turning outwards
o Fig. 5: down in pasterns
o Fig. 6: Feet turned outwards,
arms are bent
o Fig. 7: down in pasterns
with affected foot from the front
o Hindquarters:
Robust legs with strong bone structure; well angulated. When viewed from behind the hindquarters are parallel and vertical thus giving an impression of power even though the hindquarters are not quite as broad as the forequarters.
Fig. 1 + 2 : good angel of the hock
Fig. 3 + 4 : angel of the hock too open
(straight angulation)
• Thigh: Very developed and thick with visible muscles.
• Stifle: In a parallel plane to the median plane or slightly out.
• Second Thigh: Relatively short, muscled, descending low.
• Hock: Short, sinewy, angle of the hock joint moderately open.
• Metatarsus: Robust, no dewclaws.
• Hindfeet: Slightly longer than the front feet, toes tight.
o Fig. 1 : Hindquarters correct
o Fig. 2 : Hindquarters too close
o Fig. 3 : Hocks to close (cow hocks)
o Fig. 4 : Hindquarters too open
• MOVEMENT :
Quite supple for a molossoid. When walking the movement is free, supple, close to the ground. Good drive from the hindquarters, good extension of the forelegs, especially when trotting, which is the preferred gait. When the trot quickens, the head tends to drop, the topline inclines towards the front, and the front feet get closer to the median plane while striding out with a long reaching movement of the front legs. Short gallop with vertical movement rather important. Capable of great speed over short distances by bolting along close to the ground.
• SKIN: Thick and sufficiently loose fitting.
• HAIR: Fine, short and soft to the touch.
o Coat: Self-coloured, in all shades of fawn, from mahogany to isabella. A good pigmentation is desirable. Limited white patches are permissible on the chest and the extremities of the limbs.
• MASK:
o 1. Black mask
The mask is often only slightly spread out and must not invade the cranial region. There may be slight black shading on the skull, ears, neck and top of body. The nose is then black.
o 2. Brown mask (used to be called red or bistre)
The nose is then brown; the eyerims are also brown.
o 3. No mask
The coat is fawn : the skin appears red (also formerly called "red mask"). The nose is then reddish or pink.
• SIZE : Height should more or less correspond to the perimeter of the skull.
Dogs : 60-68 cm at the withers - Bitches : 58-66 cm at the withers.
1 cm under and 2 cm over will be tolerated.
• WEIGHT: Dogs : at least 50 kg - Bitches : at least 45 kg.
Fig. 1: Front correct
Fig. 2: inter-ars concave
Fig. 3: wrong curve of the ribs
• BITCHES: Identical characteristics but less prominent.
• FAULTS: Any departure from the foregoing points should be considered a fault and the seriousness with which the fault should be regarded should be in exact proportion to its degree.
o Serious Faults:
Hyper aggressive, timid
Head short and round with protruding eyes
Hypertypical bulldoggy : flat skull, muzzle measuring less than a quarter of the total length of the head
Important lateral deviation of the lower jaw
Incisors constantly visible when the mouth is closed
Arched back
Fused but not deviated vertebrae of the tail
Forefeet turning inwards (even slightly)
Forefeet turning outwards too much
Flat thighs
Angle of the hock too open (straight angulation)
Angle of the hock too closed, dog standing under himself behind
Cow hocks or barrel hocks
Stilted movement or serious rolling of rear
Excessive shortness of breath, rasping
White on tip of tail or on the front part of the forelegs, above the carpus and the tarsus
o Disqualifying Faults:
Long, narrow head with insufficiently pronounced stop, with a muzzle measuring more than a third of the total length of the head (lack of type in head)
Muzzle parallel to the top line of the skull or downfaced, Roman nose
Twisted jaw
Mouth not undershot
Canines constantly visible when the mouth is closed
Tongue constantly hanging out when the mouth is closed
Tail knotted and lateraly deviated or twisted (screw tail, kink tail)
Atrophied tail
Fiddle front with splay feet
Angle of the hock open towards the rear (tarsal deviated towards the front)
White on the head or body, any other colour of the coat than fawn
Identifiable disabling defect
• N.B.: Male animals should have two apparently normal testicles fully descended into the scrotum.
Xin lỗi, con cún "lai Gấu" là của mình hì hì!
Neapolitan
Active Member
Đem về bấy nhiêu tài liệu thì liên quan gì tới 1 con chó lai ????
Bạn nói nó lai với bordeux thì nó lai với bordeux đi, you win . lol
Bạn nói nó lai với bordeux thì nó lai với bordeux đi, you win . lol
chelsea0199
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lol = laugh out loud là tiếng cười to, comment rõ ràng đừng viết tắt anh Neo ơi không người vn mình nhầm thành chửi thề đó ^^
Con Lợn Lòi
Active Member
Mọi người cùng so sánh học hỏi thôi mà!
Neapolitan
Active Member
Anh nghĩ chữ viết tắt này vô cùng thông dụng, đã được công nhận ở khắp mọi nơi, cũng như VIP (Very important person), AKA (Also known as), FAQ (Frequently asked questions), IMO (In my opinion), ASAP (As soon as possible), và cả chữ GSD (German Shepherd Dog) mà chúng ta thường dùng . Trong forum, LOL thay thế cái icon mặt cười (khi mà mình xài trả lời nhanh không có icon), đâu thể nào hiểu lầm là chửi thề được .
CLL & NR, chó chất lượng kém, dưới tiêu chuẩn và không có giấy tờ chứng minh và mấy con chó lai, nhìn sẽ thấy giống đủ thứ .... chó hết, bởi vậy chúng ta mới cần chó thuần chủng . Vì vậy nói thêm cũng chẳng học hỏi được gì, mình ngừng ở đây nghe .
Tặng Snipper 1 clip video neo dog show ở châu âu, coi xong rồi đoán coi mấy con neos này buông dây ra tụi nó có "chơi" nhau không ? Để ý sẽ thấy show của FCI sẽ thoải mái hơn và giám khảo khi chấm mấy con chó lớn thuộc loại dữ sẽ không chạm vô con chó, và chó ở FCI show có vẽ hoang dã và ngầu hơn . Vô coi AKC show sẽ thấy lịch sự hơn, chó hiền (hay khờ) hơn và giám khảo sẽ sờ con chó từ đầu tới chân, bop dế nó, mặc kệ là giống chó nào, cho nên chó show của AKC sẽ phải hiền hơn (nếu không nó cắn giám khảo chết mẹ luôn) .
Show của FCI ở châu Âu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3mPl7fPVy8&feature=player_embedded
Wesminster show
http://video.westminsterkennelclub.org/player/?id=217210
nguyentienmanh
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Ở góc Quận 9 chỗ cư xá kiến thiết em đi học thêm về cũng đã từng thấy 1 con giống con neo ,nhưng chỉ tầm 40-45 kg. Nó được nuôi để trông 1 biệt thự.Vậy nó đã bị lai hay do điều kiện khí hậu Việt Nam quá khắc nghiệt nên nó lớn không nổi?Giữa con Neo này với con chó ngao mà người Việt Nam mình hay nói có họ Hàng gì với nhau không ạ.
tieumaongoc
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Nhiều người Việt Nam không biết về các giống chó, bất cứ con chó to lớn nào cũng đều gọi chung là chó Ngao hết, chẳng có phân biệt gì cả. "Tây" cũng có 1 từ tương tự là Mastiff nhưng kèm theo tên gọi riêng như Neapolitan Mastiff, Bull Mastiff, Tibetan Mastiff...một số giống như Doberman Pinscher, Great Dane cũng là Mastiff tuy trong tên gọi không có từ này... Mastiff bao gồm khoảng 200 giống chó khác nhau.
Neapolitan
Active Member
Hỏi kiểu này ai biết đường đâu mà trả lời là chó gì hả trời ?
Khí hậu chỉ cần chăm sóc đặc biệt hơn và đúng cách với khí hậu, có thể làm con chó không phát triển hết tầm nếu không chăm sóc đùng cách, chứ đâu thể biến 1 con chó 70 kg thành 40 kg .